Ralph is now “Chief of the Littluns.” Jack is now chief of another tribe. Ralph has lost almost all his hope. He can’t keep a signal fire going because most of the biguns left with Jack and won’t help them. The little ones are excitable and scared. Jack knows he can do what he wants now. Both tribes have started to become rivals. Jack’s hunters have now become bloodthirsty and cruel. They have changed from perfect choirboys to killers. They are mostly naked. Their choir hats are barely recognizable because they are dirty and mangled. Simon kind of goes crazy in this chapter. He imagines the pig head is talking to him and is going to follow him. Before this chapter Simon doesn’t really have a lot of problems. He is pretty happy and a great support to the rest of the group. Now he is unstable and scared.
Ralph seems to become more of a savage killer a little. An example of this would be when the boys were pretending to kill a pig, Ralph joined in with them. Jack seems to have become more of an attacked person. Ralph and Piggy seem to always be yelling at him. Also, when Jack's request for a new chief was responded to by silence, he became depressed and walked away. The choir boys have went from clean cut preppy boys to savage killers.
The boys have all lost their identities because they are all completely different people. Jack and his 'hunters' were a choir, now, they are savage killers. Ralph's personality revealed that he was one of those always clean and intelligent yet handsome guys, now he is hopeless and has to care for the littleuns and only has Piggy and Simon since so many of the 'biguns' left. Most of the biguns have also become savages. In this chapter, it was revealed that they killed a pig in a very brutal way and in their pig dance/hunt they almost killed a boy. Piggy does not change much, although he wins Ralph's acceptance. Simon doesnt seem to have changed much either, has also won Ralph's acceptance.
The boys in this chapter have changed into different children. Their personalities and ideas of living on the island changed dramatically. Ralph, Piggy, Simon, and the "littluns" were left by Jack and the choir. Ralph is becoming less of a competent leader and more of 'babysitter' for the littluns. All he can think of is the fire and he looks for help from Piggy and Simon. There is no one to help Ralph with anything and his confidence and hope has decreased. On the inside, he knows he needs the biguns back for help, or the children will not survive. Jack and the choir group are becoming vicious. All they can think of is meat and hunting. Jack is leading his group and managing to keep them on his side. They live along the beach on a flat rock and eventually return to Ralph and his group, asking if they would join their tribe. Piggy and Simon have changed personalities as well. Piggy is more confident in his speaking since Jack is no longer around. He is accepted by Ralph and helps him with ideas. Simon has become crazy. He is hearing voices in his head from the "Lord of the Flies" and loses consciousness.
The boys have all lost their identities by; being on the island as a group before the 2 main boys, Ralph and Jack had decided to separate kind of. Simon, Ralph and Piggy are all just left behind with the little kids by Jack and his "group". Ralph's leadership is just kind of going down hill because he is kind of losing power over the boys, of how HE had been voted to be the chief in the beginning. And he cant keep up with taking care of the littluns he needs a little support from Jack and his group. While on the other side, Jack and choir/group/savage hunters are acting normal acting like hunters and just getting their meat to survive. Their just living along the sandy beach with rocks. And Piggy and Simon, Piggy can just kind of speak more loudly and fluently now, maybe because of Jack not being there of how he used to threaten him all the time! And Simon is just having crazy ideas of the Lord of The Flies which is just the pigs head with flies swarming all around it. The boys just need to be one and get their TRUE identity back and survive as a group.
The boys have lost their identities while on the island because they have gone so long without having adults they have sort of started a new life. Most boys who follow Jack have become savages and are very serious when it comes to hunting. I believe the boys have also forgotten who they are because of the lack of rules. They aren’t sure what’s right or wrong anymore either. Jack and Ralph’s rivalry is a good example because they both want to be leaders and all the boys are friends with both of them so no one really knows who should really be chief. Another example would be of all the boys who follow Jack. They have become way too aggressive with hunting and it might lead to causing trouble.
When the boys stay longer on the island, they lose their identity more and more. The mask allows the boys to become someone they aren't. They lose themselves and aren't the same anymore. If you think about it, they started changing as soon as they got on the island; the choir becomes hunters. These boys are becoming savages. At one point Ralph has a difficulty remembering he is the leader and why it is important to be rescued. These boys no longer follow the rules and violence is the answer for them. Ralph's faith in a democracy is ruined. They all fear the beast but the beast exists in each of the boys and the more savage they get the bigger the beast becomes. The boys, littluns and bigguns, are turn bloodthirsty and savage.
Ralph has more of an understanding how a society nust work. Jack is now chief of a different tribe and is more violent. Roger, who is part of "Jack's Tribe" has lost himself in the violence of the hunt too. Piggy has becaome a little braver now that he has more authority in "Ralph's Tribe". Simon has hallucinations. So in short, Jack and ROger have lost their humantiy...almost. Simon is on the brink of insanity and Ralph and Piggy are trying to survive...
The boys on the island continue to change throughout the book. All of the boys were pretty much normal kids when they got on the island. They were fun-loving, as you could tell by the way the littluns built sandcastles and played all day. However, now all of the boys have lost this “normal identity,” and they have become savages. They have become extremely violent, and the pig dance is now even more brutal than before. The boys lose all sense of reality during this dance, and they basically go insane.
Focusing on characters in particular, in the beginning of the book, Ralph was a strong leader that all of the boys looked up to, and Jack was just an annoying afterthought. But now, those roles are beginning to reverse. More kids are beginning to see Jack as a leader, as they go to his party and eat his food. The boys are beginning to ignore Ralph and just treat him as an average boy.
Jack has lost his identity the most since he landed on the island. At first, he was a proper choir leader. Now, he has painted his face, and has resulted to being wild. He enjoys hunting, and wants to be a leader. When Simon first is on the island, he is very peaceful. He has his own hiding place that has a good view of the ocean. Now, he brings up the idea of climbing the mountain to see the beast, which he would not have done before. Also, he imagines a severed sow's head is talking to him. Ralph starts out as a very strong, determined leader who all the boys looked up to and wanted him to be chief. Now, Ralph seems to be giving up hope and weakening. The children seem to want Jack to be a leader, since Jack does the hunting and seems to be a strong leader.
All of the kids on the island are changing dramatically. The boys are all turning into savages and it all starts with Jack arguing with Ralph and the leaving. After Jack left, most of the boys went to his side who are savages who only care about killing pigs. Ralph is no longer a competent leader and all of the older boys are going to the side that has more to offer and right now, that is Jack's side. Jack no longer cares at all about the rules of the island and just wants to kill pigs and eat meat. The savage side in all of the boys is now more eminent then ever. Ralph most of all is losing his identity. He is losing track of his priorities and is no longer a great leader. He has lost all of his speech giving abilitys and has no idea what to do anymore. He is losing all hope now and if he does not get himself straight, he will also succumb to the savage life. Piggy has become more confident with Jack gone and is much stronger in speaking, and he is one of the only older boys left on Ralph's side. Simon is now losing his mind and is hearing voices and seeing figures of the "Lord of the Flies" that are telling him that he is a silly boy and that he needs to go back with the other boys.
The boys have lost their identity because they don't have any adults with them to guide them if they are doing the right thing or not. Most of the guys went with jack because he hunts pigs and they think that they could survive with him not Ralph. ALl the boys are going the the savage side they think that they will get more food to eat if they are with Jack. So Ralph is losing his leader skills. Piggy has gotten a little braver because he was with Ralph who thought him so much things about what to do which made him braver.
When the boys first landed on the island they were innocent kids who were only interested in having fun and exploring the island. The boys’ identities have now changed to savages who kill for fun and challenge each other. Ralph started off being a strong leader but now has lost authority and is worried that they will never get off the island. Jack, although he was always somewhat savage, has changed as well. He use to follow Ralph's rules but now has completely ignored them and ran away. He also is more savage then before in the way he hunts. Piggy has also changed. He is now more confident that Jack has left and feels like he can share his opinion about what to do. Finally Simon has changed. He used to be a shy, kind boy and now he is beginning to imagine things. He is sneaking of by himself and is thinking the pig is talking to him
The boys have lost their identities, and are constantly losing more and more of who they are every day. The masks are just covering up who they are, so they can be someone else. All of the boys are hunting hungry. All they want to do is hunt. Since they have been on the island they have been looking their identities. Ralph has stopped believing that they will get off the island. Jack is running away from everything. Piggy isn’t as shy anymore he will say what he thinks. Simon is running off by himself and thinking. All of the boys on the island have changed and are still changing. Every day they are losing part of who they really are.
I think that the boys have changed from being preppy British school boys into a bunch of savages wanting to kill. Ralph has even turned a bit savage himself. I think that they will get to a point where they lose so much of themselves that they won't care for anybody but themselves.
After all everybody has a savage underneath. But the island and being away from parents has made there savageness come out some faster than others. The boys cant help how they are losing their identities all they can do is try to get rescued and try and not kill each other.
The boys landed on the island happy and just looking for fun. They were on the island with no adults and they thought they would be able to survive by themselves easily.
Everyone on the island has lost their identity in some way. Everyone has stopped thinking about getting off the island and are now just hunting for food. Ralph was a strong leader when they first got on the island. He has now lost hope in finding a way to get off the island. Jack used to listen to Ralph when he told him what to do. Jack now does whatever he wants when it comes to hunting. Piggy used to be a shy boy. He now is very confident in his thoughts and speaks. Simon used to be shy but now he shares his thoughts.
Most people that these boys knew back home would not know these boys as they are now. They have brought out the side of humanity that is far from what we would call civilized. They will no longer be able (when and if they return home) to be who they were before. Jack will see in himself someone who wants to control. Now he might have been like that before, but if he returns home then his hunger for total control will be higher. He will seem more like the bossy and controlling person amongst his friends. Ralph it seems that when he returns (if) home he will have a need for everything to be perfect and have everything prioritized. Piggy, will be scarred by this whole experience, but surprisingly his personality hasn’t changed dramatically. Now of coarse he will have more of a food problem, but his ideas are coming as fluently as they were on the first day. So Jack isn’t really known as the Jack back home (hypothetically). He is just someone against Ralph in power control.
Many boys that first started as their original selves when they first came to this island have lost their identities. Not just one, but because of this savage island, many boys losing their whole personality to survive. Some examples would be how Ralph in the beginning was the chief of the whole group of kids including Jack's choir, He was sane, smart and was a bit considerate of everybody. He thought ways to get everyone going and protected but as time moved forward he became a savage himself adapting to this separate environment by even hurting Robert while they were playing the little game. He also started losing a lot of people on his side including Jack and his group. He even admitted that he didn't even care anymore if the fire was still burning to Piggy, also losing a lot of control over the boys mostly becoming only chief of the littluns. Jack's group lost their identity by first being a choir to then hunters. Jack himself lost his identity of instead of listening to Ralph as chief he made his own little group and became chief himself. Piggy losing his identity as being bullied and the big fatty, not respected turning to being recognizable and being accepted by boys like Ralph and Simon. All boys starting out as innocent school boys who were very dependent on grownups turning to animals trying to teach themselves to control an island without any one's control but themselves turning to savages. Some other characters also start revealing much about themselves like Simon who near the end starts talking to 'Lord of the Flies' who reveals all of Simon's inner feelings. These Identities being lost seems to be a foreshadow of more chaos future on in the island.
I think that the boys started out on the island as perfect british chaps and have become wild savages. They have become reckless and have even started to turn on each other and branch off. ever since they have been on the island they have gradually started to let the wild in them show. For example when they lost a pig and had the renactment they beat the child that was dressed up as a pig. before they were on the island they wouldnt even have thought about doing that. Also when jack killed the mother pig, impaled her head and offered it to the beast it represented that everybody has a savage underneath. when simone started having hallucinations about the pig, it showed that even the most innocent and intelligent people have a bloodthirsty savage inside them.
The boys have slowly lost all of their civility. Jack's aggressive nature has slowly evolved into a blood lust for killing pigs. Roger has suffered the same fate, as he has the same desire to kill as Jack.
Ralph used to be happy and energetic, like how he would always stand on his head. Now he hardly has any energy from dealing with all the other kids.
Piggy is probably the one with the most resemblance of himself before he got stranded, since he still wants order.
Jack has lost his identity the most since arriving to the island he was the choir leader and now is much more savage and is the hunter for the boys. Simon has lost his identity a lot, he started out as a calm boy who had a hiding place and now is a boy who is climbing up to see the beast and thinks that a pig is talking to him. Ralph has lost quite a lot of his identity he was the proper choice of leader and now he is not the other boys find that Jack should be the leader. Ralph also doesn’t believe that they are going to be saved anymore. Then there is Piggy who is not very timid anymore and he will speak his mind.
When the boys first landed on the island, they were more car free than anything else. They played, swim, searched for food, and didn't take things to seriously. But as time went on and problems start to stir up in the group. One by one their inner savage starts to rear its ugly head. You can start to tell when they have lost themselves when they start seeing the beast. The Beast symbolizes the boys going crazy. After they see the beast they start to turn on each other and form two different groups. Some go completely savage, like Jack, and become blood hung, and hunt pigs. Others loose sight of rescue, like Ralph, and start to just not care. All they want to do is become savages and to not have to worry about rescue.But Simon becomes the worst, he completely looses his mind and starts hallucinating, he thinks the pig's head on a stick is the Lord of the Flies. But Piggy is the only boy who shows no signs of loosing his mind, he symbolizes civilization and the hope that one day they will be rescued form the island.
As the book has progressed the boys have slowly been losing themselves; each to their own form of insanity. Jack has gone savage and is being controlled by his blood lust, Simon has begun hallucinating about the Lord of the Flies, and Ralph like most of the others has simply given up on being rescued. Either way every single boy has lost sight of himself, except for Piggy who, no matter what, has not given up hope. Piggy is the only one who has not changed for the worst. He is braver and not afraid to speak his mind. Every boy has changed in some way, whether small or large, and either for better or for worse they're different somehow from when they first came to the island. Each has somehow lost that part of himself that made him who he was, and if they are not rescued, they'll have no chance of staying sane if they're not crazy already.
When they first reached the island, their manner was they do not care at all. Ralph was all chill and calm saying that they would be rescued and Jack just wanted to be the leader. That soon changed because Ralph is giving up hope that someone will find them and they will leave the island. Jack is so caught up in killing pigs, he has lost sight of what the big picture is. The rest of the boys are giving up hope as well. Ralph is starting to realize that being on this island was fun and chill at first, but is soon becoming a nightmare. Piggy still has hoped that they will be rescued by someone and leave that island. Jack was at first a confident person, but the pigs have turned him into a pig killing mad man, who has become obsessed with killing pigs.
Everyone of the biguns has lost their identity in one way or another. I say the biguns because the littluns' attitude of fun really hasn't changed. As for the big kids, however, Piggy is probably the only one who hasn't lost his identity. Jack is more or less blinded by his lust for pig blood. Jack's hunters still do whatever he says, but they too have gone a little overboard as far as savageness goes. Ralph has lost all authority over the 'tribe' and is basically giving up all hope. Simon is pretty much going insane and is hallucinating about the Lord of the Flies. Samneric are still petrified from the time they allegedly saw the beast. Hopefully, Piggy keeps a level head throughout the rest of the book, or else the boys won't have a chance at getting rescued.
All of the boys on the island, except perhaps Piggy have lost their identities in some way. When the boys first came onto the island, they seemed to be slightly worried and were basically in shock. But that only lasted for a short time. After that the boys realized that they could do whatever they wanted. They bathed in the pool and the littluns played in the sand. They occasionally got worked up about fire or meat but it was nothing major. Soon however each boy became focused on a different thing. Jack and many of his hunters became obsessed with meat. They would not rest until they caught a pig. When they did, they became completely bloodthirsty. The hunters became more primitive and hungry for meat. That was all Jack thought about and that is how he lost his identity. He began to resemble a prehistoric man with warpaint, spears and killing wild animals. Ralph on the other hand became obsessed with fire. He wanted nothing more than to be rescued. That is how Ralph lost his identity. His painful desire to be rescued outweighed his desire to do other things. He was not the fair, careless boy that he was when he landed on the island. Piggy did not seem to change at all. He had plenty of common sense from the start and still does. He isn't particularly obsessed with one thing or another. All in all though, most boys have lost their identity since they came onto the island.
Pretty much all of the boys on the island have lost their identity in some aspect. Piggy alone, I think is still in control of his sanity. Ralph is beginning to jump into the reality that they may never go home again. He also even got a sensation of killing when the group was jabbing at Robert. Jack is of course obsessed with hunting, and leading, and killing. After the first pig was brought home, that is all that Jack cares about. Simon is even beginning to lose his sanity with the Lord of the Flies. His mind is being lost completely. Then, while these three and many other boys slowly go insane, Piggy stills tries to stay as calm as possible. He adds suggestions as to what the group should do next. He keeps his cool when panic erupts. I think most of the boys are just finally realizing that they are on a deserted island, and so they resort to insanity and blood lust. At first, the boys mostly stayed together and listened to one another, but not they have truly lost their identity.
Even though the boy’s are all the same physical people they were when they first came on the island they are all totally different people mentally. They have all changed in a great way. It seems as if the island is slowly ripping the sanity from each little boy like taking candy from a baby. Because there is no adult figure there to keep everyone behaving their minds have been altered, they have not been shown by an adult to feel the consequences of all of this. This is why children need an adult around (not that its their fault there isn't one though...), an adult keeps all of the children in line. They would someone to look up to giving each child guidance.
Many of the boys, although they may look the same other than their dirtiness, have changed a great deal as far as their character and individuality goes. Most of the boys, for example, are now set on finding food as a group to survive, whereas before they landed on the island, they were most likely not interested in something like food at all when they were not hungry. Also, many of the “littluns” are now too tired to play and do other things that at one point made them individuals. The “littluns” are either bathing or finding food as a group now for most of their time on the island. While bad situations have taken away most of the boys’ individuality, it has strengthened some. For example, the difference in Piggy’s personality is quite visible. Now that Jack is gone, the ideas that Piggy once had but held in are now all going into place. Piggy is now able to show his true individuality as a leader of the boys. This is how the boys have lost (or in some cases have gained) their individuality in the tough environment of the island.
The boys in this chapter have changed into new people. Their views and ideas have also changed drastically. Ralph, Piggy, Simon and the littluns were abandoned by Jack and the choir. Ralph has changed from being a storng and dependable leader into and parent for the little kids. He depends on Piggy and Simon for help while still keeping the fire under control. Ralph has lost almost all hope of getting off the island. Jack and the choir have become vicious savages. All Jack wants to do and thinks about is hunting and meat. They live seperated from the others along the beach. Piggy and Simon have also changed. Since Jack left, Piggy is able to speak with no regrets and helps with ideas when they're needed. Simon has gone crazy, he is hearing voices from "The Lord of the Flies" and loses his mind.
All the boys have lost their identies. When Jack first got to the island he was just bossy, but since being on the island he and the rest of the choir have become savage. All they cares about is hunting and meat. Ralph and the Littluns have also been lost. The littluns used to play but now they sit around and don't do anything. Since Jack left Piggy lost his identie of being weak and pathetic.He is able to speak his mind and his ideas are being put into place. I believe all of the boys have lost their identies. Some for the good and some for the bad.
Ralph is now “Chief of the Littluns.” Jack is now chief of another tribe. Ralph has lost almost all his hope. He can’t keep a signal fire going because most of the biguns left with Jack and won’t help them. The little ones are excitable and scared. Jack knows he can do what he wants now. Both tribes have started to become rivals.
ReplyDeleteJack’s hunters have now become bloodthirsty and cruel. They have changed from perfect choirboys to killers. They are mostly naked. Their choir hats are barely recognizable because they are dirty and mangled.
Simon kind of goes crazy in this chapter. He imagines the pig head is talking to him and is going to follow him. Before this chapter Simon doesn’t really have a lot of problems. He is pretty happy and a great support to the rest of the group. Now he is unstable and scared.
Ralph seems to become more of a savage killer a little. An example of this would be when the boys were pretending to kill a pig, Ralph joined in with them.
ReplyDeleteJack seems to have become more of an attacked person. Ralph and Piggy seem to always be yelling at him. Also, when Jack's request for a new chief was responded to by silence, he became depressed and walked away.
The choir boys have went from clean cut preppy boys to savage killers.
The boys have all lost their identities because they are all completely different people.
ReplyDeleteJack and his 'hunters' were a choir, now, they are savage killers.
Ralph's personality revealed that he was one of those always clean and intelligent yet handsome guys, now he is hopeless and has to care for the littleuns and only has Piggy and Simon since so many of the 'biguns' left.
Most of the biguns have also become savages. In this chapter, it was revealed that they killed a pig in a very brutal way and in their pig dance/hunt they almost killed a boy.
Piggy does not change much, although he wins Ralph's acceptance.
Simon doesnt seem to have changed much either, has also won Ralph's acceptance.
The boys in this chapter have changed into different children. Their personalities and ideas of living on the island changed dramatically.
ReplyDeleteRalph, Piggy, Simon, and the "littluns" were left by Jack and the choir. Ralph is becoming less of a competent leader and more of 'babysitter' for the littluns. All he can think of is the fire and he looks for help from Piggy and Simon. There is no one to help Ralph with anything and his confidence and hope has decreased. On the inside, he knows he needs the biguns back for help, or the children will not survive.
Jack and the choir group are becoming vicious. All they can think of is meat and hunting. Jack is leading his group and managing to keep them on his side. They live along the beach on a flat rock and eventually return to Ralph and his group, asking if they would join their tribe.
Piggy and Simon have changed personalities as well. Piggy is more confident in his speaking since Jack is no longer around. He is accepted by Ralph and helps him with ideas. Simon has become crazy. He is hearing voices in his head from the "Lord of the Flies" and loses consciousness.
The boys have all lost their identities by; being on the island as a group before the 2 main boys, Ralph and Jack had decided to separate kind of. Simon, Ralph and Piggy are all just left behind with the little kids by Jack and his "group".
ReplyDeleteRalph's leadership is just kind of going down hill because he is kind of losing power over the boys, of how HE had been voted to be the chief in the beginning. And he cant keep up with taking care of the littluns he needs a little support from Jack and his group.
While on the other side, Jack and choir/group/savage hunters are acting normal acting like hunters and just getting their meat to survive. Their just living along the sandy beach with rocks.
And Piggy and Simon, Piggy can just kind of speak more loudly and fluently now, maybe because of Jack not being there of how he used to threaten him all the time! And Simon is just having crazy ideas of the Lord of The Flies which is just the pigs head with flies swarming all around it.
The boys just need to be one and get their TRUE identity back and survive as a group.
The boys have lost their identities while on the island because they have gone so long without having adults they have sort of started a new life. Most boys who follow Jack have become savages and are very serious when it comes to hunting. I believe the boys have also forgotten who they are because of the lack of rules. They aren’t sure what’s right or wrong anymore either. Jack and Ralph’s rivalry is a good example because they both want to be leaders and all the boys are friends with both of them so no one really knows who should really be chief. Another example would be of all the boys who follow Jack. They have become way too aggressive with hunting and it might lead to causing trouble.
ReplyDeleteWhen the boys stay longer on the island, they lose their identity more and more. The mask allows the boys to become someone they aren't. They lose themselves and aren't the same anymore. If you think about it, they started changing as soon as they got on the island; the choir becomes hunters. These boys are becoming savages. At one point Ralph has a difficulty remembering he is the leader and why it is important to be rescued. These boys no longer follow the rules and violence is the answer for them. Ralph's faith in a democracy is ruined. They all fear the beast but the beast exists in each of the boys and the more savage they get the bigger the beast becomes. The boys, littluns and bigguns, are turn bloodthirsty and savage.
ReplyDeleteRalph has more of an understanding how a society nust work. Jack is now chief of a different tribe and is more violent. Roger, who is part of "Jack's Tribe" has lost himself in the violence of the hunt too. Piggy has becaome a little braver now that he has more authority in "Ralph's Tribe". Simon has hallucinations. So in short, Jack and ROger have lost their humantiy...almost. Simon is on the brink of insanity and Ralph and Piggy are trying to survive...
ReplyDeleteThe boys on the island continue to change throughout the book. All of the boys were pretty much normal kids when they got on the island. They were fun-loving, as you could tell by the way the littluns built sandcastles and played all day. However, now all of the boys have lost this “normal identity,” and they have become savages. They have become extremely violent, and the pig dance is now even more brutal than before. The boys lose all sense of reality during this dance, and they basically go insane.
ReplyDeleteFocusing on characters in particular, in the beginning of the book, Ralph was a strong leader that all of the boys looked up to, and Jack was just an annoying afterthought. But now, those roles are beginning to reverse. More kids are beginning to see Jack as a leader, as they go to his party and eat his food. The boys are beginning to ignore Ralph and just treat him as an average boy.
Jack has lost his identity the most since he landed on the island. At first, he was a proper choir leader. Now, he has painted his face, and has resulted to being wild. He enjoys hunting, and wants to be a leader.
ReplyDeleteWhen Simon first is on the island, he is very peaceful. He has his own hiding place that has a good view of the ocean. Now, he brings up the idea of climbing the mountain to see the beast, which he would not have done before. Also, he imagines a severed sow's head is talking to him.
Ralph starts out as a very strong, determined leader who all the boys looked up to and wanted him to be chief. Now, Ralph seems to be giving up hope and weakening. The children seem to want Jack to be a leader, since Jack does the hunting and seems to be a strong leader.
All of the kids on the island are changing dramatically. The boys are all turning into savages and it all starts with Jack arguing with Ralph and the leaving. After Jack left, most of the boys went to his side who are savages who only care about killing pigs.
ReplyDeleteRalph is no longer a competent leader and all of the older boys are going to the side that has more to offer and right now, that is Jack's side. Jack no longer cares at all about the rules of the island and just wants to kill pigs and eat meat. The savage side in all of the boys is now more eminent then ever.
Ralph most of all is losing his identity. He is losing track of his priorities and is no longer a great leader. He has lost all of his speech giving abilitys and has no idea what to do anymore. He is losing all hope now and if he does not get himself straight, he will also succumb to the savage life.
Piggy has become more confident with Jack gone and is much stronger in speaking, and he is one of the only older boys left on Ralph's side.
Simon is now losing his mind and is hearing voices and seeing figures of the "Lord of the Flies" that are telling him that he is a silly boy and that he needs to go back with the other boys.
The boys have lost their identity because they don't have any adults with them to guide them if they are doing the right thing or not. Most of the guys went with jack because he hunts pigs and they think that they could survive with him not Ralph. ALl the boys are going the the savage side they think that they will get more food to eat if they are with Jack. So Ralph is losing his leader skills. Piggy has gotten a little braver because he was with Ralph who thought him so much things about what to do which made him braver.
ReplyDeleteWhen the boys first landed on the island they were innocent kids who were only interested in having fun and exploring the island. The boys’ identities have now changed to savages who kill for fun and challenge each other.
ReplyDeleteRalph started off being a strong leader but now has lost authority and is worried that they will never get off the island. Jack, although he was always somewhat savage, has changed as well. He use to follow Ralph's rules but now has completely ignored them and ran away. He also is more savage then before in the way he hunts. Piggy has also changed. He is now more confident that Jack has left and feels like he can share his opinion about what to do. Finally Simon has changed. He used to be a shy, kind boy and now he is beginning to imagine things. He is sneaking of by himself and is thinking the pig is talking to him
The boys have lost their identities, and are constantly losing more and more of who they are every day. The masks are just covering up who they are, so they can be someone else. All of the boys are hunting hungry. All they want to do is hunt. Since they have been on the island they have been looking their identities. Ralph has stopped believing that they will get off the island. Jack is running away from everything. Piggy isn’t as shy anymore he will say what he thinks. Simon is running off by himself and thinking. All of the boys on the island have changed and are still changing. Every day they are losing part of who they really are.
ReplyDeleteI think that the boys have changed from being preppy British school boys into a bunch of savages wanting to kill. Ralph has even turned a bit savage himself. I think that they will get to a point where they lose so much of themselves that they won't care for anybody but themselves.
ReplyDeleteAfter all everybody has a savage underneath. But the island and being away from parents has made there savageness come out some faster than others. The boys cant help how they are losing their identities all they can do is try to get rescued and try and not kill each other.
The boys landed on the island happy and just looking for fun. They were on the island with no adults and they thought they would be able to survive by themselves easily.
ReplyDeleteEveryone on the island has lost their identity in some way. Everyone has stopped thinking about getting off the island and are now just hunting for food. Ralph was a strong leader when they first got on the island. He has now lost hope in finding a way to get off the island. Jack used to listen to Ralph when he told him what to do. Jack now does whatever he wants when it comes to hunting. Piggy used to be a shy boy. He now is very confident in his thoughts and speaks. Simon used to be shy but now he shares his thoughts.
Most people that these boys knew back home would not know these boys as they are now. They have brought out the side of humanity that is far from what we would call civilized. They will no longer be able (when and if they return home) to be who they were before. Jack will see in himself someone who wants to control. Now he might have been like that before, but if he returns home then his hunger for total control will be higher. He will seem more like the bossy and controlling person amongst his friends. Ralph it seems that when he returns (if) home he will have a need for everything to be perfect and have everything prioritized. Piggy, will be scarred by this whole experience, but surprisingly his personality hasn’t changed dramatically. Now of coarse he will have more of a food problem, but his ideas are coming as fluently as they were on the first day.
ReplyDeleteSo Jack isn’t really known as the Jack back home (hypothetically). He is just someone against Ralph in power control.
Many boys that first started as their original selves when they first came to this island have lost their identities. Not just one, but because of this savage island, many boys losing their whole personality to survive. Some examples would be how Ralph in the beginning was the chief of the whole group of kids including Jack's choir, He was sane, smart and was a bit considerate of everybody. He thought ways to get everyone going and protected but as time moved forward he became a savage himself adapting to this separate environment by even hurting Robert while they were playing the little game. He also started losing a lot of people on his side including Jack and his group. He even admitted that he didn't even care anymore if the fire was still burning to Piggy, also losing a lot of control over the boys mostly becoming only chief of the littluns. Jack's group lost their identity by first being a choir to then hunters. Jack himself lost his identity of instead of listening to Ralph as chief he made his own little group and became chief himself. Piggy losing his identity as being bullied and the big fatty, not respected turning to being recognizable and being accepted by boys like Ralph and Simon. All boys starting out as innocent school boys who were very dependent on grownups turning to animals trying to teach themselves to control an island without any one's control but themselves turning to savages. Some other characters also start revealing much about themselves like Simon who near the end starts talking to 'Lord of the Flies' who reveals all of Simon's inner feelings. These Identities being lost seems to be a foreshadow of more chaos future on in the island.
ReplyDeleteI think that the boys started out on the island as perfect british chaps and have become wild savages. They have become reckless and have even started to turn on each other and branch off. ever since they have been on the island they have gradually started to let the wild in them show. For example when they lost a pig and had the renactment they beat the child that was dressed up as a pig. before they were on the island they wouldnt even have thought about doing that. Also when jack killed the mother pig, impaled her head and offered it to the beast it represented that everybody has a savage underneath. when simone started having hallucinations about the pig, it showed that even the most innocent and intelligent people have a bloodthirsty savage inside them.
ReplyDeleteThe boys have slowly lost all of their civility. Jack's aggressive nature has slowly evolved into a blood lust for killing pigs. Roger has suffered the same fate, as he has the same desire to kill as Jack.
ReplyDeleteRalph used to be happy and energetic, like how he would always stand on his head. Now he hardly has any energy from dealing with all the other kids.
Piggy is probably the one with the most resemblance of himself before he got stranded, since he still wants order.
Jack has lost his identity the most since arriving to the island he was the choir leader and now is much more savage and is the hunter for the boys. Simon has lost his identity a lot, he started out as a calm boy who had a hiding place and now is a boy who is climbing up to see the beast and thinks that a pig is talking to him. Ralph has lost quite a lot of his identity he was the proper choice of leader and now he is not the other boys find that Jack should be the leader. Ralph also doesn’t believe that they are going to be saved anymore. Then there is Piggy who is not very timid anymore and he will speak his mind.
ReplyDeleteWhen the boys first landed on the island, they were more car free than anything else. They played, swim, searched for food, and didn't take things to seriously. But as time went on and problems start to stir up in the group. One by one their inner savage starts to rear its ugly head. You can start to tell when they have lost themselves when they start seeing the beast. The Beast symbolizes the boys going crazy. After they see the beast they start to turn on each other and form two different groups. Some go completely savage, like Jack, and become blood hung, and hunt pigs. Others loose sight of rescue, like Ralph, and start to just not care. All they want to do is become savages and to not have to worry about rescue.But Simon becomes the worst, he completely looses his mind and starts hallucinating, he thinks the pig's head on a stick is the Lord of the Flies. But Piggy is the only boy who shows no signs of loosing his mind, he symbolizes civilization and the hope that one day they will be rescued form the island.
ReplyDeleteAs the book has progressed the boys have slowly been losing themselves; each to their own form of insanity. Jack has gone savage and is being controlled by his blood lust, Simon has begun hallucinating about the Lord of the Flies, and Ralph like most of the others has simply given up on being rescued. Either way every single boy has lost sight of himself, except for Piggy who, no matter what, has not given up hope. Piggy is the only one who has not changed for the worst. He is braver and not afraid to speak his mind. Every boy has changed in some way, whether small or large, and either for better or for worse they're different somehow from when they first came to the island. Each has somehow lost that part of himself that made him who he was, and if they are not rescued, they'll have no chance of staying sane if they're not crazy already.
ReplyDeleteWhen they first reached the island, their manner was they do not care at all. Ralph was all chill and calm saying that they would be rescued and Jack just wanted to be the leader. That soon changed because Ralph is giving up hope that someone will find them and they will leave the island. Jack is so caught up in killing pigs, he has lost sight of what the big picture is. The rest of the boys are giving up hope as well. Ralph is starting to realize that being on this island was fun and chill at first, but is soon becoming a nightmare. Piggy still has hoped that they will be rescued by someone and leave that island. Jack was at first a confident person, but the pigs have turned him into a pig killing mad man, who has become obsessed with killing pigs.
ReplyDeleteEveryone of the biguns has lost their identity in one way or another. I say the biguns because the littluns' attitude of fun really hasn't changed. As for the big kids, however, Piggy is probably the only one who hasn't lost his identity. Jack is more or less blinded by his lust for pig blood. Jack's hunters still do whatever he says, but they too have gone a little overboard as far as savageness goes. Ralph has lost all authority over the 'tribe' and is basically giving up all hope. Simon is pretty much going insane and is hallucinating about the Lord of the Flies. Samneric are still petrified from the time they allegedly saw the beast. Hopefully, Piggy keeps a level head throughout the rest of the book, or else the boys won't have a chance at getting rescued.
ReplyDeleteAll of the boys on the island, except perhaps Piggy have lost their identities in some way. When the boys first came onto the island, they seemed to be slightly worried and were basically in shock. But that only lasted for a short time. After that the boys realized that they could do whatever they wanted. They bathed in the pool and the littluns played in the sand. They occasionally got worked up about fire or meat but it was nothing major. Soon however each boy became focused on a different thing. Jack and many of his hunters became obsessed with meat. They would not rest until they caught a pig. When they did, they became completely bloodthirsty. The hunters became more primitive and hungry for meat. That was all Jack thought about and that is how he lost his identity. He began to resemble a prehistoric man with warpaint, spears and killing wild animals. Ralph on the other hand became obsessed with fire. He wanted nothing more than to be rescued. That is how Ralph lost his identity. His painful desire to be rescued outweighed his desire to do other things. He was not the fair, careless boy that he was when he landed on the island. Piggy did not seem to change at all. He had plenty of common sense from the start and still does. He isn't particularly obsessed with one thing or another. All in all though, most boys have lost their identity since they came onto the island.
ReplyDeletePretty much all of the boys on the island have lost their identity in some aspect. Piggy alone, I think is still in control of his sanity. Ralph is beginning to jump into the reality that they may never go home again. He also even got a sensation of killing when the group was jabbing at Robert. Jack is of course obsessed with hunting, and leading, and killing. After the first pig was brought home, that is all that Jack cares about. Simon is even beginning to lose his sanity with the Lord of the Flies. His mind is being lost completely. Then, while these three and many other boys slowly go insane, Piggy stills tries to stay as calm as possible. He adds suggestions as to what the group should do next. He keeps his cool when panic erupts. I think most of the boys are just finally realizing that they are on a deserted island, and so they resort to insanity and blood lust. At first, the boys mostly stayed together and listened to one another, but not they have truly lost their identity.
ReplyDeleteEven though the boy’s are all the same physical people they were when they first came on the island they are all totally different people mentally. They have all changed in a great way. It seems as if the island is slowly ripping the sanity from each little boy like taking candy from a baby. Because there is no adult figure there to keep everyone behaving their minds have been altered, they have not been shown by an adult to feel the consequences of all of this. This is why children need an adult around (not that its their fault there isn't one though...), an adult keeps all of the children in line. They would someone to look up to giving each child guidance.
ReplyDeleteMany of the boys, although they may look the same other than their dirtiness, have changed a great deal as far as their character and individuality goes. Most of the boys, for example, are now set on finding food as a group to survive, whereas before they landed on the island, they were most likely not interested in something like food at all when they were not hungry. Also, many of the “littluns” are now too tired to play and do other things that at one point made them individuals. The “littluns” are either bathing or finding food as a group now for most of their time on the island.
ReplyDeleteWhile bad situations have taken away most of the boys’ individuality, it has strengthened some. For example, the difference in Piggy’s personality is quite visible. Now that Jack is gone, the ideas that Piggy once had but held in are now all going into place. Piggy is now able to show his true individuality as a leader of the boys.
This is how the boys have lost (or in some cases have gained) their individuality in the tough environment of the island.
The boys in this chapter have changed into new people. Their views and ideas have also changed drastically.
ReplyDeleteRalph, Piggy, Simon and the littluns were abandoned by Jack and the choir. Ralph has changed from being a storng and dependable leader into and parent for the little kids. He depends on Piggy and Simon for help while still keeping the fire under control. Ralph has lost almost all hope of getting off the island.
Jack and the choir have become vicious savages. All Jack wants to do and thinks about is hunting and meat. They live seperated from the others along the beach.
Piggy and Simon have also changed. Since Jack left, Piggy is able to speak with no regrets and helps with ideas when they're needed. Simon has gone crazy, he is hearing voices from "The Lord of the Flies" and loses his mind.
All the boys have lost their identies. When Jack first got to the island he was just bossy, but since being on the island he and the rest of the choir have become savage. All they cares about is hunting and meat.
ReplyDeleteRalph and the Littluns have also been lost. The littluns used to play but now they sit around and don't do anything. Since Jack left Piggy lost his identie of being weak and pathetic.He is able to speak his mind and his ideas are being put into place.
I believe all of the boys have lost their identies. Some for the good and some for the bad.